NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Aikoland** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:17 pm

Do noobs still join this site and immediately claim to be some massive space empire with like 10 trillion people and a billion people in their army and they have like ultra space planet destroyers that will totally kill anyone who fights them?

I remember that being a hella common thing years back (and conversely, you had the people who'd overreact to that and basically declare that any new account who didn't abide by their NS stats at first as being a bad RPer, even tho there's a huge difference between 'new player who says their nation is a medium-sized nation with like 36 million people' and 'new player who claims to have an intergalactic empire with like 10000000000000000000000 people and they're the strongest nation in the universe ever'.

by **Remulia** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:34 pm

Aikoland wrote:Do noobs still join this site and immediately claim to be some massive space empire with like 10 trillion people and a billion people in their army and they have like ultra space planet destroyers that will totally kill anyone who fights them?

I remember that being a hella common thing years back (and conversely, you had the people who'd overreact to that and basically declare that any new account who didn't abide by their NS stats at first as being a bad RPer, even tho there's a huge difference between 'new player who says their nation is a medium-sized nation with like 36 million people' and 'new player who claims to have an intergalactic empire with like 10000000000000000000000 people and they're the strongest nation in the universe ever'.

I remember my first intergalactic empire: it was an interdimensional empire with a lot of "people" and a lot of soldiers powerful enough to defeat anyone. Also, the first version of the Remulian empire was a galactic power, so i'm glad to reduced the size and power of this version.

by **Federal Remnants** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:53 pm

Aikoland wrote:Do noobs still join this site and immediately claim to be some massive space empire with like 10 trillion people and a billion people in their army and they have like ultra space planet destroyers that will totally kill anyone who fights them?

I remember that being a hella common thing years back (and conversely, you had the people who'd overreact to that and basically declare that any new account who didn't abide by their NS stats at first as being a bad RPer, even tho there's a huge difference between 'new player who says their nation is a medium-sized nation with like 36 million people' and 'new player who claims to have an intergalactic empire with like 10000000000000000000000 people and they're the strongest nation in the universe ever'.

booooooom blasts u with my super death laser from 49149140 light years away ur dead an i conquer u end of story!!
Answer: Probably.

by **Azur Deutschland** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:54 pm

BurgSys? More like BoreSys.

by **Bloodshade** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:02 pm

Aikoland wrote: snip

They exist but mostly on the role-playing side of NS where organizations are formed every week or so and fall when there’s a bit of internal criticism. They might have some of the most basic of weaponry and tactics but suddenly pull out SCPs or black hole weaponry out of nowhere and claim that they’ve destroyed the whole universe. All that just to assert dominance in a simple RP.

Here’s one thing I hate: People implementing the SCP foundation in their lore for the sake of power wank.

Azur Deutschland wrote:BurgSys? More like BoreSys.

In the wise words of a friend, “There are only two good BurgSys nations on NS.”

A bit curious though, do you find BurgSys boring due to the lore itself or because you’ve seen it being done a lot but without much success in capturing the essence?

by **Azur Deutschland** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:15 pm

Bloodshade wrote:A bit curious though, do you find BurgSys boring due to the lore itself or because you’ve seen it being done a lot but without much success in capturing the essence?

Both, but mainly just because I dislike TNO and think it's so boring and annoying, especially when every puts it on a high pedestal.
Call me whatever, but these alt-his WW2 scenarios that just seem edgy just to be edgy are just really lame.
That's why I'll still say Wolfenstein 2009 is better than Wolfenstein: The New Order (lol it even has TNO in the name)

by **Bloodshade** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:25 pm

Azur Deutschland wrote:Both, but mainly just because I dislike TNO and think it's so boring and annoying, especially when every puts it on a high pedestal.
Call me whatever, but these alt-his WW2 scenarios that just seem edgy just to be edgy are just really lame.
That's why I'll still say Wolfenstein 2009 is better than Wolfenstein: The New Order (lol it even has TNO in the name)

I don’t like the mod because it turns HOI4 into an interactive story clicking adventure but the writing is well-done and interesting from what I can tell. I don’t see TNO as edgy. It’s a rather depressing scenario in all seriousness but I guess the memes diluted that aura or something. Idk I only played like 2 hours of TNO before the clicking bored me.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:41 pm

Bloodshade wrote:
Azur Deutschland wrote:Both, but mainly just because I dislike TNO and think it's so boring and annoying, especially when every puts it on a high pedestal.
Call me whatever, but these alt-his WW2 scenarios that just seem edgy just to be edgy are just really lame.
That's why I'll still say Wolfenstein 2009 is better than Wolfenstein: The New Order (lol it even has TNO in the name)

I don’t like the mod because it turns HOI4 into an interactive story clicking adventure but the writing is well-done and interesting from what I can tell. I don’t see TNO as edgy. It’s a rather depressing scenario in all seriousness but I guess the memes diluted that aura or something. Idk I only played like 2 hours of TNO before the clicking bored me.

Yeah, this. I like it as a story, and the excerpts are really nice and well-written, but it gets old as a game really fast- the game parts aren't about being a game anymore, they're about clicking from event to event. And the community doesn't help with making the story better at all, it just gets turned into "haha funi clock man and gamer himmler lol" and it just gets... old. The story is one of the better-made dystopias though, imo. It really has that "shit sucks and there's nothing you can do about it" feel without going into outright edgy territory and I'd use it as a tonal reference for my own dystopic stuff ~~if i ever wrote it lol~~ any day.

by **Las Palmeras** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:54 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Bloodshade wrote:
I don’t like the mod because it turns HOI4 into an interactive story clicking adventure but the writing is well-done and interesting from what I can tell. I don’t see TNO as edgy. It’s a rather depressing scenario in all seriousness but I guess the memes diluted that aura or something. Idk I only played like 2 hours of TNO before the clicking bored me.

Yeah, this. I like it as a story, and the excerpts are really nice and well-written, but it gets old as a game really fast- the game parts aren't about being a game anymore, they're about clicking from event to event. And the community doesn't help with making the sotry better at all, it just gets turned into "haha funi clock man and gamer himmler lol" and it just gets... old. The story is one of the better-made dystopias though, imo. It really has that "shit sucks and there's nothing you can do about it" feel without going into outright edgy territory and I'd use it as a tonal reference for my own dystopic stuff ~~if i ever wrote it lol~~ any day.

I may be biased in saying that I consider that Nazi Germany had no redeeming qualities whatsoever...but it's quite hard to distinguish writing edgy Nazis from realistic Nazis because reality was messed up as it is: it's quite hard to think of something worse than killing off all of European Jews and 60-100 million Slavs that was pretty much planned (and implemented in it's early stages IRL through the Hunger Plan) IRL. And if such policies aren't cancelled hypothetically, it'd be hard to keep a full secret for long. And with that said, I find it hard to see the USA or the UK sitting by idly for so long, especially if they'd consider Germany a nuclear threat AFTER the MAUD Report and Manhattan Project. They'd definitely nuke Germany before the 60s if given sufficent pretext or scares.

P.S. Though I don't play HOI, a similar timeline was made in the Anglo-American-Nazi war web novel. And the sheer darkness of it is that it's...well...not entirely unbelievable. And writing about it is just so grim that, well, you'd get labelled as edgy rather quickly. There's a reason why the Solar Remnant is basically on pause.

by **Azur Deutschland** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:59 pm

See, I don't know.
I guess you could just say that I dislike TNO because it's mainstream for mods for HOI4 and the community just really annoys me.
'I hate it because it's edgy' makes me sound too much like a hypocrite considering I made a completely unironic dystopian nation because I listened to some vocaloid songs (Velysi) and the fact that I do find interest in some dystopic settings.

by **Federal Remnants** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:03 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:big quote? no more. condensed down.

I find it difficult to even write stuff for my nation actually focusing on how much of a hellscape it is, since it would get edgy very quickly if we're talking BurgSys levels of insane dystopia. Instead the writing effort on my end for my nation goes towards outright delusion and insanity if nothing else - that somehow people unironically believe Evola and Serrano-levels of mystical absurdity applied to revisionist interpretation of American history.

also oh my god the TNO community makes me want to die please stop posting serov nazbol funny and clock man
IS THAT A TNO REFERENCE????

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:05 pm

Azur Deutschland wrote:See, I don't know.
I guess you could just say that I dislike TNO because it's mainstream for mods for HOI4 and the community just really annoys me.
'I hate it because it's edgy' makes me sound too much like a hypocrite considering I made a completely unironic dystopian nation because I listened to some vocaloid songs (Velysi) and the fact that I do find interest in some dystopic settings.

Azur just can't bring themselves to like anything that other people like

Federal Remnants wrote:also oh my god the TNO community makes me want to die please stop posting serov nazbol funny and clock man
IS THAT A TNO REFERENCE????

~~the lamps have gone out great trial funni smug hat man nationalism time~~

So, in conclusion, dystopias that aren't wholly unbelievable are a surefire way to spook and rattle, yes?

by **Las Palmeras** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:24 pm

Federal Remnants wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:big quote? no more. condensed down.

I find it difficult to even write stuff for my nation actually focusing on how much of a hellscape it is, since it would get edgy very quickly if we're talking BurgSys levels of insane dystopia. Instead the writing effort on my end for my nation goes towards outright delusion and insanity if nothing else - that somehow people unironically believe Evola and Serrano-levels of mystical absurdity applied to revisionist interpretation of American history.

also oh my god the TNO community makes me want to die please stop posting serov nazbol funny and clock man
IS THAT A TNO REFERENCE????

Heh, when writing about modern military fiction, I judge things on number crunching and things read on the Alternate History Forum by real obsessive types that put me to shame; hence, why I'm nitpicky when it comes to writing about Axis victories. Power to anybody who wants to, but I'd never do it:
1) You basically need magic for a long-term victory, *cough* Azur Deutschland. That's how realistic it is.
2) I hate writing about Nazi Germany...because it's so damn unpredictable to imagine what they'd do after getting Lebensraum following a hypothetical victory some time by 1943...anytime before or after and Barbarossa would do worse than IOTL, as their production capacities and boots on the ground seem to imply. All the possible things are edgy-looking if Nazis remain Nazis.
...

Finally, I'd like to say that having such a viewpoint may actually be a detriment to my realism sometimes, ~~Catgirls aside~~. I've got a terrible way of overlooking the human element of things. This is especially true of my Canon. I find it reasonable that 1939 France could've stopped Germany if given the proper plan and enough time and find such a scenario far more realistic than the Man in High Castle/Wolfenstein/TNO style settings...judging by the numbers and attrition rate. But I painfully overlook political capital and individual leaders' will to fight on: something that doomed France in real life. And in a sense, if one wants to be very very realistic in an MT setting, political willpower is something that can't be overlooked.

by **Azur Deutschland** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:31 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:Azur just can't bring themselves to like anything that other people like

I actually have a plan for a nation that's going to be inspired by a mainstream anime. One of my favorite shows too, that I still haven't got around to watching the third season of...
~~I can't stop thinking of ideas for nations, help~~

Las Palmeras wrote:You basically need magic for a long-term victory, *cough* Azur Deutschland. That's how realistic it is.

I know it's a deus ex machina, but I enjoy the magical stories more than just 'wow da natsies made big boom boom tank gun'
~~Again, another reason why the old Wolfenstein games were so interesting to me. They had a focus on the occult.~~
Maybe I'm just a weeb who likes Valkyria Chronicles and Youjo Senki way too much, idk.

by **Las Palmeras** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:34 pm

Azur Deutschland wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:You basically need magic for a long-term victory, *cough* Azur Deutschland. That's how realistic it is.

I know it's a deus ex machina, but I enjoy the magical stories more than just 'wow da natsies made big boom boom tank gun'
~~Again, another reason why the old Wolfenstein games were so interesting to me. They had a focus on the occult.~~
Maybe I'm just a weeb who likes Valkyria Chronicles and Youjo Senki way too much, idk.

Nothing wrong with deus ex machina if the story is interesting, yours definitely is a very captivating world.

And I also like Nazi occultism if it can be made into a good story. I like Indiana Jones and the Iron Phoenix, Bloodrayne, Hellboy and Hellsing specifically because of it.

by **Federal Remnants** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:34 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:another big quote. you know i had to do it.

Quite the difference in how I handle writing. I'm actually not one for detail at all and tend to overlook number crunching, mainly because computation for the sake of realism makes me snooze. Strange thing is, my nation's timeline isn't even an Axis victory, but an Allied victory, which just makes things all the more awkward when the leader of the free world suddenly goes absolutely batshit Nazi. I somehow think this would be possible with the world's worst dash of luck and bad politics; both Kennedy and segregationist politicians would have to hose up royally for this to happen, the former for angering off the entire South, and the latter for people like Wallace by somehow failing to capitalize on this.

I think I already threw out realism when half of the South ended up underwater though, even far beyond what the worst case scenarios for that would be. That and actually having an esoteric fascist government in power.

As for anime magic, I know this is a disappointment to many, but there is no anime in the Federal Remnants. President Miller does not have a body pillow. Mainly because it wouldn't make sense.

by **Wexas** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm

Federal Remnants wrote:As for anime magic, I know this is a disappointment to many, but there is no anime in the Federal Remnants. President Miller does not have a body pillow. Mainly because it wouldn't make sense.

Don't lie, we all know Miller has an anime George Washington bodypillow

by **Hamatu** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:37 pm

Federal Remnants wrote:As for anime magic, I know this is a disappointment to many, but there is no anime in the Federal Remnants. President Miller does not have a body pillow. Mainly because it wouldn't make sense.

Whelp, there goes my headcanon...

12 March 2022

Wexas wrote:
Federal Remnants wrote:As for anime magic, I know this is a disappointment to many, but there is no anime in the Federal Remnants. President Miller does not have a body pillow. Mainly because it wouldn't make sense.

Don't lie, we all know Miller has an anime George Washington bodypillow

And it's life size.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:37 pm

Federal Remnants wrote:I think I already threw out realism when half of the South ended up underwater though, even far beyond what the worst case scenarios for that would be. That and actually having an esoteric fascist government in power.

Is it realistic for the world to undergo more than one climate collapse? Because I may have written a nation with three.

As for anime magic, I know this is a disappointment to many, but there is no anime in the Federal Remnants. President Miller does not have a body pillow. Mainly because it wouldn't make sense.

~~i am disappointed that miller doesn't have his perfect aryan waifu on a body pillow, that seems like something he would do~~

by **Federal Remnants** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:44 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Federal Remnants wrote:I think I already threw out realism when half of the South ended up underwater though, even far beyond what the worst case scenarios for that would be. That and actually having an esoteric fascist government in power.

Is it realistic for the world to undergo more than one climate collapse? Because I may have written a nation with three.

As for anime magic, I know this is a disappointment to many, but there is no anime in the Federal Remnants. President Miller does not have a body pillow. Mainly because it wouldn't make sense.

~~i am disappointed that miller doesn't have his perfect aryan waifu on a body pillow, that seems like something he would do~~

I mean, I don't see why not? Although I'm not sure how you'd make a desert even worse. Turn it into Death Valley 2?

ok this is the worst 30 second photoshop i've ever done but here it is. the george washington body pillow, now presidential approved.

12 March 2022

Federal Remnants wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Is it realistic for the world to undergo more than one climate collapse? Because I may have written a nation with three.

~~i am disappointed that miller doesn't have his perfect aryan waifu on a body pillow, that seems like something he would do~~

ok this is the worst 30 second photoshop i've ever done but here it is. the george washington body pillow, now presidential approved.

by **Area 6-Z** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:46 pm

Wow I'm surprised this thread hasn't died yet and I'm very impressed!

It's been a while since I posted on F7, but one cliche is low effort posting in AL/AN threads. I'm sure this was talked about before in this thread, but it got tiring for me personally see low effort posts.

Of course if they're new players I completely understand why they make low effort post. They're just starting out and need time to grow.

by **Azur Deutschland** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:51 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:Nothing wrong with deus ex machina if the story is interesting, yours definitely is a very captivating world.

And I also like Nazi occultism if it can be made into a good story. I like Indiana Jones and the Iron Phoenix, Bloodrayne, Hellboy and Hellsing specifically because of it.

I hope I don't seem self-centered here, but I always enjoy hearing that compliment.

I almost forgot that Hellboy was summoned by Nazi occultism.
I think I only watched the 2004 film once, but I remember thinking it was pretty good.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:51 pm

Federal Remnants wrote:I mean, I don't see why not? Although I'm not sure how you'd make a desert even worse. Turn it into Death Valley 2?

Wasn't full desertification the first time around. Went something like the following timeline: 2100s- really fucky-wucky climate collapse "averted" with climate engineering on a mass scale. Then in the 2400s the aftershocks fuck over the engineering and shit goes to full-on desertification hell, on the scale of "ice caps are gone and Indochina and central America are uninhabitable now, but at least we managed to make sure our artificial ecosystem survived, so... go team!", then in the 2900s overpopulation crosses even an incredibly inflated carrying capacity and the "human ecosystem" starts to collapse. Yeah, Earth got fucked hard in my work.

ok this is the worst 30 second photoshop i've ever done but here it is. the george washington body pillow, now presidential approved.
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